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"If I Were God!" - Heated Debate Between Ex-muslim and Muslim!

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i don't want to say that but if i were god i would give the best of everything to those who follow the true religion you will now say that people are being tested such a test can't exist if you came out and said i am a prophet i wouldn't believe you if you said look i will make this building jump and you did so it'd be stupid not to believe you he said i will split the moon and then the moon was split but how am i going to be convinced that this happened before that there were three more holy books he allowed those to be corrupted why doesn't he allow the quran to be corrupted i'm the best man in the world i help everyone all the time i help everybody who needs help there is nobody left

behind but i am not a muslim i will go to hell right but you will go to heaven for one thing right i mean you're a muslim what punishment will you give in this world some have been solved let's take a step together again is it okay to post this on youtube well what is your faith i don't know what my faith is now i can't say that i'm a muslim and i can't say i'm not a muslim or i'm something else let me say i'm confused i mean i am really confused do you accept the existence of a creator of course i certainly believe that i mean it's about the religion then i mean i have some issues with religion then can we say that you're a deist because deists accept the existence of a creator but don't

i'm closer to that but we can't exactly say that either i am in the middle east right i mean i'm close to both i'm sometimes here sometimes there i mean are you saying that you aren't a muslim now i am not but i don't know what i'm saying i don't know what i am right maybe today we can give you the answers that you're looking for if that does happen you know we answer your questions would you say that i'm coming back to islam now for example there are many questions in my mind but the biggest is that it is said that the quran is protected by allah before that there were three more holy books the zabar the taurat and the bible if the first revealed book the taurat were protected by allah if

it weren't allowed to be corrupted there wouldn't be a need for the zabar there wouldn't be a need for the bible there wouldn't be a need for the quran in this way jews muslims and christians wouldn't be separated the world wouldn't be such a complicated place but rather there is a basic fact for example not only were there the four books but also 124 000 prophets 124 000 prophets came depending on the way people live depending on the conditions allah sent the prophets when we look at the prophets who were sent to the first human community they were giving out information according to that community imagine an education system like a college it's systemized like elementary school middle

school and college knowledge is formed step by step it's increased step by step like this if we imagine the history of mankind as an education field detailing has occurred step by step a prophet comes a book is revealed but people can corrupt it that's what i'm saying allah allows this to happen well if he allowed those to be corrupted why doesn't he allow the quran to be corrupted not corrupting the quran allah's protection of the quran we can see that this is because the quran is the final book it's because the quran is the last book and the prophet muhammad peace be upon him is the last prophet as a matter of course since there won't be any more prophets the quran has been protected it's

necessary that the quran is protected so that the system continues to enlighten people but because there were 124 000 prophets sequentially before because they came constantly as a matter of course it is normal that people were allowed to corrupt as part of the divine test it's possible i mean allowing this is a will a preference but we can ask why did he choose to protect the quran to guarantee its protection since they are the last book and the last prophet peace be upon him there aren't any new prophets or a new reformer coming after this that's why he doesn't allow its corruption and also for example for those who lived during that time and in that environment things were a little easier

i'm telling you this based on what is said and what is written you know what miracles took place the moon got split and so on i can't recall everything if you came out and said i am a prophet i wouldn't believe you you could say i will make this building jump and if it did jump do i even have a choice not to believe you no because i can see it it would be stupid foolish not to believe because you can see it the man says i will split the moon and the moon is split i mean you can't teach anything to someone who doesn't believe after that do you get it but how am i going to be convinced that this happened we can list tens or hundreds of examples of this when we look at the universe we can see a

lot of evidence for example when we drive a car if the second person interferes the car won't move for 100 meters right more or less there will be an accident i mean it won't go so i would say that even if a car couldn't go for 100 meters when the second person interfered the continuation of the order in the galaxies the continuation of the system in the world in order are all proofs that there is only one creator we already agreed on that based on this i would say that there must be only one this is our first proof we are now coming to the second proof we could say for example that someone has drawn graffiti here right if someone draws graffiti here they need to have a light here right

otherwise it won't be understood of course certainly because as long as i can't see it it wouldn't make sense so i would say that if we illuminate where we draw we give it a meaning the creator of the universe the one who gave its meaning allah must have sent the light of prophecy to help us understand the meaning prophets are needed to understand the universe allah has an infinite number of attributes for example allah is compassionate what makes compassion compassion is the existence of eternity what makes pleasure pleasure is the existence of eternity the continuation of pleasure when we look at the attributes like these because he has infinite generosity infinite compassion their

consequence will take place in the hereafter if he didn't want to give he wouldn't give us desire based on this i'm telling you that our desire for eternal life is to be fulfilled in the hereafter this information i read on the book of universe is also in the quran so i would say that the answers i'm looking for are in the quran when i look at the quran there are prophetic miracles there is the surah allahab it describes an event in the future it foretells that abu laha would die as an infidel and it turned out to be true when a person is constrained by time how can he give information about how someone will die in the future also this information this verse wasn't revealed when abu laha was

close to death his death occurred seven years after when this verse was revealed an unbeliever could have also done that he could have lied by saying that he believed i would do that but look he didn't knowing that he couldn't even do it as a lie i mean knowing all his system this must have been said by the one who isn't constrained by time another proof that the quran is the truth is that another book is similar to the quran can't be written the quran starts a challenge it says write a book similar to the quran even if all the jinn all the people from all the ages come together you can't write a similar book even after 14 centuries a similar book can't be written it's eloquence giving

numerous meanings with one letter the harmony in it it's expression and wording astonish everyone and nobody could write a similar book and i'm saying that this is one of the miracles of the quran you know you said that something supernatural should take place you said that the prophet performed miracles then what is there to amaze us the quran tells to write a similar book even if all the world came together they couldn't and can't write a similar one and the quran says that you can't so this is another proof that the quran is the truth we can list many more examples now the true religion is islam right which countries are the poorest in the world i don't want to say this but if i were god

i would give the best of everything to those who follow the true religion for example if i were generous if i were compassionate today there wouldn't be so many children dying in africa they wouldn't die i would never let this happen jews have been persecuting the people in palestine for a long time now you will say that this is how people are being tested but such a test can never be a test doesn't mean starving in africa this isn't part of the test why is my test starving while theirs is living with wealth why my test is to die and theirs is to kill but i'm gonna tell you this what you mention is all related to people's own wills to people's persecutions isn't allah omnipotent he is

omnipotent but would it be wise that's the main question now you want people not to hurt not to suffer not to face these difficulties and that since muslims are right they aren't hurt at all when we look at it as intervening if allah miraculously intervened just as you wish it wouldn't be reasonable it's reasonable that allah made a law and sent the perfect system based on this law if only believers like you said only those who found the truth were protected someone kills the other like you said israelis kill palestinians if there were an exclusive protection for palestine if there were constant protection this would reveal the meaning of the test if only muslims were protected with an

incredible shield then everyone would start getting behind this shield they would say there's a miraculous protection here so this is the truth and they would accept it it would take people's willpower away but what happens in order to manage the system you mention in the best way allah gives people loss for example the system of zakat in the system of zakat the person who is wealthy must donate 140th of his wealth so what happens you probably looked at the calculations if the richest three people in the world donated even a small portion of their zakat and the next generations would be out of poverty right allah has already given us the solution he gives the solution and people don't obey

so if people with their own will don't obey the law and don't implement the solution that is their own fault for example a doctor comes and intentionally kills all the people who come to the hospital now in this case do we blame the doctor or the medical books we blame the doctor we blame the doctor it has nothing to do with the medical books we don't even get angry at them just like this when allah gave the solution in the quran just because some people hurt each other it wouldn't make sense to blame the quran or to say that the information given by the quran is wrong big crimes are punished in big places and small crimes are punished in small places they are taken to court so big crimes

like killing other people committing a massacre are taken to the major court and will be punished in the hereafter they will be punished in the hereafter okay let's say that for example i'm asking is a lot merciful imagine you have three kids can you treat them differently at the end of the day they are your kids what would you do for your bad child you would try to be a good example try to educate them just because your kid did such things you wouldn't shoot or burn them are you saying that even when you see these victims these persecutors that you criticize that he's going to take them to court i mean i think so let me tell you this if it were going to happen many things would have

happened by now imagine someone killed millions of people what punishment can you give them in this world for example imagine a man who has killed millions of babies he killed millions of babies now how will you make the mother happy at this point how can you punish that man in this world as i say you make him suffer i mean basically we have a system i am totally against capital punishment because i think it's an escape but for example in our system there is something called aggravated life sentence do you think it's enough it isn't enough definitely not enough i would say the same that's the main point so because it isn't enough the one we trust in would bring it in from this world to the

hereafter so that it can be punished in the major court you can't kill someone who has killed a million people a million times so i would say that there must be a major courtroom i would say that it has to be delayed for a major courtroom i would say that this makes sense imagine i'm such a nice person i'm the best man in the world i have millions and help everybody all the time i help everybody who needs help there is nobody left behind but i'm not a muslim i will go to hell right and you are such a good muslim you know you are a good muslim in terms of faith you perform all your religious duties but you are such a bad person you will go to the heaven for one thing right i mean because you

are muslim i got it that's a very good question let me explain brother the first issue is that faith is a matter of result i mean take someone who is seen as a very nice person now who's really good who have no idea how he will die what is important is the decision at the moment of death someone who is such a good person can die with faith it's a matter of result or you mention a muslim who is such a bad person i mean you mention his lifestyle he could say i believed during his lifetime but it isn't known how he would die maybe because he committed such bad actions which darkened his heart as he darkened his heart by committing sins he would die without faith we don't know that i mean we

can't come to a conclusion by looking at people's lifestyles that would be wrong that's the first item brother let's come to the second we should know what the concept we call goodness is for example if a king employed you and gave you a thousand pieces of gold and told you to go and give them to people over there would it be your own good or the kings it would be the king's you already gave them himself right here also the willpower given to us which is as worthy as gold our strength are the things we use while we do good those fruits food the materials we give to people everything belongs to allah as in the example of the king giving the pieces of gold so the doer of all the good is allah

the servant only does what is ordered since the real property here belongs to the king the real doer of the good is the king so who is the one who gave us willpower allah allah is the one who gives us willpower and choice along with willpower the things and the system i use for doing good who created them allah when i do good i feel compassion and happiness who gave me these feelings who is the one who makes me do good who gives me the emotions again allah so all the sources belong to allah he encouraged me to use my willpower and gave me the feeling of happiness he also gave me the trait of generosity let's imagine a man came here and he placed bombs in many places alright he then went

somewhere far away and killed a hundred thousand people just by pressing a button so in court he can say dear judge what wrong did i do i only pressed a button it only takes a second why do you exaggerate it he can't we need to look at the system that emerged as a consequence if we had soldiers and government officials here what would happen it would get even more serious right of course now as in this example an unbeliever happens to come to this universe and everything in the universe from atoms to animals and to clouds is a servant of allah they all introduce allah for example when we look at a tree in its fruits it's actually a servant that introduces a lot to us it shows us many

attributes of allah such as his name razak and his generosity when an unbeliever says that there is no allah in this universe what do they actually do they kill all these servants in the universe they reject their duties like someone who tells the judge i only pressed a button and nothing else just as it doesn't change the result it also doesn't change the result when they say i only said that there is no allah in the universe i didn't do anything wrong if someone says there is no allah they are denying all the proofs all the servants and all the soldiers in the universe also they happen to deny the one who is eternal for example when you slap me in the face there may be a little argument

and we can resolve it ourselves but what happens when you slap a king in the face it then becomes a big issue i mean it can even result with your death of course just like this if a person causes a small harm it can be solved but if a person as in the example of slapping a king says that there is no creator of the universe and symbolically kills all the servants then what happens someone who denies eternity commits an eternal crime since that person commits a big crime they need to face the consequences of what they did like you already said at the beginning they kill hundreds of thousands of people in palestine they kill a hundred thousand children you said wouldn't we want them to be

punished with justice we certainly would so with the existence of hell this would be a just punishment no but i mean is it such a big crime to say i am not a muslim yes that's what i'm saying let me give an example a king invites us to his palace okay he holds a large feast at the palace a man comes out and says that all the fruits in this palace are mine there's no king here please please go ahead let me give them to you he seemingly does well by distributing the fruits there let's imagine this what does he do he tries to take ownership of the property there but there's another group coming people in this group say that the king has prepared such a great feast for us and acknowledged the

king they acknowledged that the fruits are from him then some arguments arise between them they hurt one another they commit a crime against one another crimes like these are committed when we now look at the accusation here while one side tries to take ownership of the king's property steals it and says there is no king and ruins the purpose of the feast and misleads the people what does the other do they acknowledge him but an argument takes place when we look at the level of crime here one is a bigger crime and the other is a relatively smaller crime just as in this example if an unbeliever comes to this universe and says there's no allah if he says there's no creator he steals all of his

property there's no creator the property belongs to me my body belongs to me when he does something good distributes the fruits there to the people claiming that he is doing good to them and tells people that there's no king of that place it means that he tries to take ownership of all the property there and steals them and it means that he symbolically kills all the servants there since everything is created to show the attributes of allah a muslim may commit a crime here but he acknowledges the king of the universe but as i told you these basics will be settled step by step some have been solved i already think about it all the time i will continue to think about it i mean you were helpful

you are saying some have been solved but not everything for example we are outside okay and let's say we are at the edge of a cliff there is also a palace with a hundred doors in front of us one door of the palace with a hundred doors is open and 99 of them are closed but we are in a dire situation in this case would we avoid entering the palace because 99 doors are closed we wouldn't one door is already open why wouldn't we enter but if i need to i can continue opening the doors from inside as in this example brother maybe some rules in islam sometimes don't make sense to you you may be having a difficult time understanding them i mean a few doors of islam may be left closed for you but we

say that even when one door is enough to enter this palace what if we enter the palace of islam and try to open the other doors from inside rather than staying outside isn't it more reasonable to stay inside i was already as you described about seven to eight years ago i was trying to open the doors from inside all right you can enter again for example we opened a few doors together today this time i'm trying to open from the outside i wasn't successful from inside i'm trying to open from outside but as we said there are at least a few basics that were subtle in the end we opened a door we opened one or two doors we can solve the remaining questions i mean we are at the edge of a cliff do

you get it the reality of death is for all of us and there is nothing we have nothing to gain from being outside because there is nothing we can win outside it's possible that i may not be able to open some doors inside this may be the case with every situation even in some classes we understand some stuff solely then our logic changes so we say that when there is one door open let's come inside let's search from inside i tell you that this would be a more sensible more logical perspective wouldn't it be more beautiful if we did that let's search the other doors together later maybe i'm not promising anything but maybe let's take another step together i mean i'm not so sure brother i think

one door is enough for you i mean one door i will try i will really try maybe you can think about it today maybe you can think about it tonight i think it would be more beautiful if you entered the palace think about it for yourself if you have any questions i'm ready to answer them it was a good conversation thank you take care [Music] you