Philosopher Atheist VS Muslim Debate! Did He Convert?
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-Humans are musical instruments created by the creator. But the creator can never use this musical instrument because he cannot make the right sound from it. People believe what they want. Science does this, not God. These are man-made. Man created it. Science has already explained this to us. Since we know these explanations, it doesn't come as a surprise, at least to me. +Would you change your mind if you heard irrefutable proof? -No one can say there is a creator. +But reason and logic say there has to be. Let’s see what we call a creator... -That being is us. +Brayan, what are you doing? Are you studying? -Yes, I’m in my final year. +So what's your opinion? What is your religion?
-I see religion as a culture that has come from ancient times. I'm not saying there is a creator, and I’m not saying there isn't. No one knows anything about this anyway. No one can say there is a creator. +Would you change your mind if we showed you proof that will sit well with your logic and mind? Would you change your mind if you heard irrefutable proof? -I may change my mind about the creator’s existence, but I will not worship the creator. If there is a creator, then you say there must be order. This is also mentioned in the Quran. It's called a perfect order, but I don't think there is order. +Together we will prove that there is order. We will take that step. Let’s say it's erratic.
Let it be a complex system. The stars are appearing here and there, and the moon is constantly crashing. Let's just say it's a mess and not as we see it now. Let's say it is. But this still does not prove the absence of the creator. It just changes His preference. In psychology, there are levels such as graduate or master, and also in medicine or engineering. We can also think of all other sciences. This is a system in which people develop themselves by reading while events are constantly being formulated. So, of course, there is order here because where there is disorder, there is no formula. By the way, I studied engineering. There are many formulas in engineering.
For example, there is a subject called shooting, one of the simplest. Let's say I'm going to throw a stone from here. Depending on the speed I throw it, this will affect the distance it will travel, and the length of time it takes. A formula is generated to calculate the seconds it will take for it to fall. This is a very well-known matter. Physics states it clearly. A world that works with a formula, a universe system, of course, shows us order. Can we say that there is disorder where the formula is made? -After all, this order is created by humans. This formula is created by humans. +No. Did we create the formula? Who created the formula? Definitely us.
+The rate of attraction between the objects, What is happening? It is being formulated. Now, did I arrange for the two masses to attract each other? -No. +No, I just observed it. I said, look, they attract each other, or there’s an attraction between the planets. Then I said, if there is an attraction between them then there is a law here. So, I say that a being puts the law on this formula and the order. Again, I saw for sure that there was an order. This was already our order subject. We can see together that there is order. If I were to give you proof, as we said at first, to show it’s rational and logical then your decision would change this time, right?
-My decision would change, but I certainly won’t worship that creator. +Ok, then let's have a look. I want to prove the existence of the Creator to you. Then we will look at the evaluation. That is, if the necessary reasons do not come together then they can not produce the desired result. For example, imagine you are on a train track. There is a 10-year-old boy with a rope on his back, moving the train with every step he takes. Now your eyes say yes, the boy is pulling the big train. But do you believe this? Or will you look for a different force or a different reason behind it? -I will look for a different force behind it. +Why? Because he doesn't have enough reasons to pull the big train.
So I’ll look for another force, or another system that I haven't seen, right? -Yeah. +Just like in this example, when we look at the universe, I look at causes and consequences. There is an incredible gap between them. For example, you look at a small seed, you throw it on the ground, and it can carry huge trees on its back. Or I look at an egg, a simple unconscious egg, but when I look at the result from it, a peacock emerges. This is a result that astonishes people and influences them to take photos. Or, for example, looking at semen which is a drop of water. When I look at the result of a simple substance like sperm, I see a person like you.
A perfect system, tuned with its symmetry and the golden ratio, from which a being emerges and becomes a subject for the research of anatomy, biology, etc. I look for the reason, a simple liquid, a simple water flake, what we call a sperm. Then I say, look at the cause, and look at the effect! We agreed at the beginning that a weak 10-year-old child, a weak cause, of course cannot carry or tow a train weighing 10 tonnes. Of course, we said that there must be another reason behind it. Reason told us that. When we look at the reasons we have just mentioned, it is very simple, they are lifeless.
Perfect works emerge, although their reasons are lifeless and unconscious, bringing the following question to mind: If this reason cannot do this, what is the real reason? Shouldn't there be a different reason behind these reasons, a creator, that will produce this perfect result? -You explained it very well. You explained it perfectly. But a seed turning into a tree or a sperm turning into a human - I don't see it as anything surprising. It is science that does this, not a God. +I'm surprised when you say you're not surprised. There are inanimate substances in what you call a water drop, composed of atoms from elements. Is the atom alive? -Atoms are lifeless.
+How can lifeless matter make what we talked about? In the example we mentioned, the child was alive, but even he could not do it. These events we are talking about are lifeless. Let's say it’s alive. Again, it doesn't matter. But how can atoms that have no will, no conscience, no mind, or power, produce this result? How can we not be surprised by this? -When one does a little research science already gives him sufficient results. When the sperm enters the egg, only one of the millions of sperm enters the egg. And that sperm shows various reactions to form a living thing. Science has already explained this to us. Since we know this, it doesn't strike me as surprising.
+Then I will ask, the fact that science explains the stages of something will not answer how it came about. Science presents knowledge. It tells me about the event that occurred. For example, think of it as the megapixel of the camera evolving in detail. It used to be 2 megapixels, then it was 24, and now 46. We're doing a show with this camera right now. Why? The camera system has increased. Think of science like that. Science advances cumulatively. It presents the information. What does science do? It comes and explains the details to me. So what did it do? It zoomed in on the camera. It zoomed, and zoomed. I knew sperm only as a water substance.
I zoomed in, and I understood what was going on inside. Zooming in on something didn’t change the fact. The question remains: How could such a thing come out of these simple substances? -We live on an order that we created. We already live on technology, science, philosophy and art. In other words, these are not things revealed by an unknown entity. Neither art nor philosophy nor biology. These are not things that God created. These are man-made. Man created them. You attribute it to a creator, but I attribute it to science. +Look, we still haven't been able to explain how the cause could power that effect.
You are only telling the stage of the cause to the effect, and I say the reason is straightforward because the result that is caused by the reason is perfect, it dismisses this reason. This reason cannot do that. Then we say that there is clear proof that if this simple reason cannot create this perfect result then behind this reason is a being who knows, is conscious, intelligent, has power and life. That's what we call a creator... -That being is us. It is us. +You say it’s us, and I say, He is the One that can do what you can’t and create you. If you say it’s us, then you need to be able to create human beings whenever you want.
You should be able to make an egg yourself and hatch a peacock whenever you want. Can everyone have a baby? -Not everyone can have a baby. +Then, as you said, if we were in complete control, then anyone could have made that baby whenever they wanted. You say that we are the reason. It is we who do this. You can’t be the cause for this reason. Why? Because you were that reason in the first place. How can an effect be its own cause? -For example, you want to connect the reasons to something. You are looking for something behind the cause. And you call it God, the creator. +At first, you searched too, but... You looked for another reason behind the child.
-It's different when a 10-year-old boy pulls the train and the seed turns into a tree. +The latter is more perfect. Isn't it more perfect? Aren't you more perfect than this event? This is more surprising. The train pulling itself is just a matter of force. Here, a simple matter creates a living thing. Five hundred and seventy-six megapixel eyes are formed. A perfectly ordered system is formed. Symmetry is formed, the golden ratio is formed. A system which initiates sciences is formed, allowing masters to be made and doctors to open separate departments. This is, of course, more surprising. Where are you and where’s the train? Isn't it true? -No.
+Aren't you more perfect than this cause and effect relationship? I'm more surprised by you. -I'm definitely not perfect, but it's excellent for that 10-year-old to pull that train because science can explain it. What science cannot explain is also metaphysical. +I disagree with that because that was the science we were talking about. Science described the event in detail. You couldn’t answer the question I asked, so science actually can't explain it. It gives the appearance of explaining where it cannot. -I say it does, and I'm still researching. But I haven't read all of what science explains. And I'm sure when I read it, I will believe that science can explain it, and I still do.
+Brother, let me give you a little bit of information then. Science says there is DNA. Do you know how many bases DNA consists of? -No. +DNA consists of 4 bases. Adenine, thymine, guanine, cytosine. Even in these 4 bases, there are 4 elements. Carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen. So when I go into DNA, then with the bases, with their details, the same result awaits me. Unconscious, mindless, lifeless and powerless elements. Again nothing has changed. It was a simple matter again, but the event that came out of it, the result that came out of it, is again excellent. So even if you research the science a little more, the result will not change.
Reason and logic says that even if I do not see it, a being must exist. -So, it is also men who created God. +I don't agree with that either. Knowledge is dependent on the thing known. If there is a reality, one's thought does not change it. Say you close your eyes and say, ‘there was a cube-shaped microphone in front of me.’ Can you change the truth? -No. +No, you can’t. Your thoughts, ideas, feelings do not change the truth. Think as much as you want. This cause and effect relationship that I am describing is reality. As long as there’s reality, whether you think about or want the absence of a creator or his existence, thought does not change that reality.
-Humans are musical instruments created by the creator, and the creator can never use this instrument because he can’t make the right sound from it. Yes, there is a God, but it is in the heart or mind of men. It's either in your heart or in your mind. A person might believe in a light, or maybe in a tree. For example, what kind of entity do you imagine God as? +Let me describe Him. Let’s talk about his attributes. I can find his attributes with the mind. My vision is limited. If I can see, there is a being who can see infinitely. I can hear. I have limited hearing. If I can hear, then I say God can hear at an infinite level.
There is the mother's compassion and affection, the father's affection. Yes, the mother is compassionate. I can observe this and say yes, of course, it can not be atoms that give her this compassion. Do atoms have compassion? -No. +This means a compassionate being is behind the atoms with the names Rahman, Rahim, Rauf. Again, I conclude by saying that he is infinitely compassionate. Look, I can find a lot of attributes like this. I should also mention… Why did you wear a t-shirt and not a sweater? -Because it’s hot. +This is a logical action, right? A wise, sensible move. -Yeah. It was your mind and logic that made you do this. I say yes, even we can do wise things with our limited logic.
He has infinite wisdom. Of course, a creator with infinite knowledge and logic will be logical in everything he does and will act wisely. And since he created this universe, sending someone to introduce this place and answer questions like: “why did we come? Who sent me? Where am I going? What is my purpose? Why was I sent? Why do I have such abilities? What is the feature that distinguishes me from animals?” Sending a guide, sending the prophets, that explains why the prophets have come and answered such questions, I say it is a necessity of logic and wisdom. It is also a necessity of logic and wisdom that holy books distinguish right from wrong with the Prophets.
When I look at the Quran, I can see hundreds of examples proving that a person can not write. The information that is impossible for a person to know is in this book from 1400 years ago proves to be the guide and book I was looking for. Let me give an example. There are two incredible miracles in Surah Rum. الٓمٓ۠١غُلِبَتِ الرُّومُۙ٢ف۪ٓي اَدْنَى الْاَرْضِ وَهُمْ مِنْ بَعْدِ غَلَبِهِمْ سَيَغْلِبُونَۙ٣ف۪ي بِضْعِ سِن۪ينَ The Byzantines have been defeated in the nearest land. But they, after their defeat, will rise again within three to nine years. The Byzantines and Persians were at war.
The war takes place in the year 613, and the Byzantines suffer such a defeat that they have to sell even the sacred valuables in their churches. I can understand the level of defeat. While everyone assumes the Byzantines will disappear, a verse comes down. The verse says that the Byzantines were defeated, but they will be victorious. An incredible claim, isn't it? -Yeah. +Something like this to be said all of a sudden surprises most people. Those who do not believe suddenly begin to rejoice. Why? Because they think they will indeed be defeated, they start to rejoice, believing that Islam has made a rotten claim. Do you know what happens? Nine years later, in the year 622, they fought again.
The Byzantines and Persians faced off. And the Greeks really became victorious. There is another miracle in the same verse. It says the region where the war occurred was ‘fi adnal ard’, ‘ard’ means the Earth (Ground) and adna is also described as its lowest point. In other words, it says that the war took place at the lowest point of the Earth. What should you do if I ask who the shortest man on this street is? -I have to search and find. +You have to look at everyone one by one. -Right. +What then would it take to know the lowest point on Earth? -You have to search and find. +It is necessary to know the whole of the Earth, but was there such a situation at that time? Of course not.
But we will take a look. It says it happened at the lowest point of the earth. And It’s proven right now that the lowest point relative to sea level is where the battle took place. By saying that, the point we call the Dead Sea basin is 395 m below sea level. It begs the question: how can anyone tell us that this is the lowest point on Earth? Only the creator could tell us that. The events of the war are known to everyone in the historical records, not only Islamic sources. I will say that it cannot be the work of a person to know this information. There is a creator behind it. It is the word of God, and that's the only way I can explain these events.
So, this is the prophet I was looking for, the book I found with the mind, the existence of the creator I found with the mind. It’s clear. When the absence of the creator is not proven, then why should I not accept the logical conclusions that I have spoken about for His existence? When he has shown me these proofs why then shouldn't I accept Islam? Is there any reason? -I certainly can't talk about this. You have read the Quran the verses, together with the meaning. You've read it, and you know, but I haven't read it yet. I will search, and I hope I will find the right way. +Insha'Allah, Do you know what we should do?
Towards Eternity is in Istanbul Come whenever you want, we can even talk on the phone. We can do that. If necessary, brother, we can talk for days. We can talk for hours whenever you want. -I loved your conversation. Thank you. +Your conversation was very nice too. As you said, you will search so let's search and find it together. Let's continue from here. -Ok. +Very pleased to meet you. Take care of yourself.
-I see religion as a culture that has come from ancient times. I'm not saying there is a creator, and I’m not saying there isn't. No one knows anything about this anyway. No one can say there is a creator. +Would you change your mind if we showed you proof that will sit well with your logic and mind? Would you change your mind if you heard irrefutable proof? -I may change my mind about the creator’s existence, but I will not worship the creator. If there is a creator, then you say there must be order. This is also mentioned in the Quran. It's called a perfect order, but I don't think there is order. +Together we will prove that there is order. We will take that step. Let’s say it's erratic.
Let it be a complex system. The stars are appearing here and there, and the moon is constantly crashing. Let's just say it's a mess and not as we see it now. Let's say it is. But this still does not prove the absence of the creator. It just changes His preference. In psychology, there are levels such as graduate or master, and also in medicine or engineering. We can also think of all other sciences. This is a system in which people develop themselves by reading while events are constantly being formulated. So, of course, there is order here because where there is disorder, there is no formula. By the way, I studied engineering. There are many formulas in engineering.
For example, there is a subject called shooting, one of the simplest. Let's say I'm going to throw a stone from here. Depending on the speed I throw it, this will affect the distance it will travel, and the length of time it takes. A formula is generated to calculate the seconds it will take for it to fall. This is a very well-known matter. Physics states it clearly. A world that works with a formula, a universe system, of course, shows us order. Can we say that there is disorder where the formula is made? -After all, this order is created by humans. This formula is created by humans. +No. Did we create the formula? Who created the formula? Definitely us.
+The rate of attraction between the objects, What is happening? It is being formulated. Now, did I arrange for the two masses to attract each other? -No. +No, I just observed it. I said, look, they attract each other, or there’s an attraction between the planets. Then I said, if there is an attraction between them then there is a law here. So, I say that a being puts the law on this formula and the order. Again, I saw for sure that there was an order. This was already our order subject. We can see together that there is order. If I were to give you proof, as we said at first, to show it’s rational and logical then your decision would change this time, right?
-My decision would change, but I certainly won’t worship that creator. +Ok, then let's have a look. I want to prove the existence of the Creator to you. Then we will look at the evaluation. That is, if the necessary reasons do not come together then they can not produce the desired result. For example, imagine you are on a train track. There is a 10-year-old boy with a rope on his back, moving the train with every step he takes. Now your eyes say yes, the boy is pulling the big train. But do you believe this? Or will you look for a different force or a different reason behind it? -I will look for a different force behind it. +Why? Because he doesn't have enough reasons to pull the big train.
So I’ll look for another force, or another system that I haven't seen, right? -Yeah. +Just like in this example, when we look at the universe, I look at causes and consequences. There is an incredible gap between them. For example, you look at a small seed, you throw it on the ground, and it can carry huge trees on its back. Or I look at an egg, a simple unconscious egg, but when I look at the result from it, a peacock emerges. This is a result that astonishes people and influences them to take photos. Or, for example, looking at semen which is a drop of water. When I look at the result of a simple substance like sperm, I see a person like you.
A perfect system, tuned with its symmetry and the golden ratio, from which a being emerges and becomes a subject for the research of anatomy, biology, etc. I look for the reason, a simple liquid, a simple water flake, what we call a sperm. Then I say, look at the cause, and look at the effect! We agreed at the beginning that a weak 10-year-old child, a weak cause, of course cannot carry or tow a train weighing 10 tonnes. Of course, we said that there must be another reason behind it. Reason told us that. When we look at the reasons we have just mentioned, it is very simple, they are lifeless.
Perfect works emerge, although their reasons are lifeless and unconscious, bringing the following question to mind: If this reason cannot do this, what is the real reason? Shouldn't there be a different reason behind these reasons, a creator, that will produce this perfect result? -You explained it very well. You explained it perfectly. But a seed turning into a tree or a sperm turning into a human - I don't see it as anything surprising. It is science that does this, not a God. +I'm surprised when you say you're not surprised. There are inanimate substances in what you call a water drop, composed of atoms from elements. Is the atom alive? -Atoms are lifeless.
+How can lifeless matter make what we talked about? In the example we mentioned, the child was alive, but even he could not do it. These events we are talking about are lifeless. Let's say it’s alive. Again, it doesn't matter. But how can atoms that have no will, no conscience, no mind, or power, produce this result? How can we not be surprised by this? -When one does a little research science already gives him sufficient results. When the sperm enters the egg, only one of the millions of sperm enters the egg. And that sperm shows various reactions to form a living thing. Science has already explained this to us. Since we know this, it doesn't strike me as surprising.
+Then I will ask, the fact that science explains the stages of something will not answer how it came about. Science presents knowledge. It tells me about the event that occurred. For example, think of it as the megapixel of the camera evolving in detail. It used to be 2 megapixels, then it was 24, and now 46. We're doing a show with this camera right now. Why? The camera system has increased. Think of science like that. Science advances cumulatively. It presents the information. What does science do? It comes and explains the details to me. So what did it do? It zoomed in on the camera. It zoomed, and zoomed. I knew sperm only as a water substance.
I zoomed in, and I understood what was going on inside. Zooming in on something didn’t change the fact. The question remains: How could such a thing come out of these simple substances? -We live on an order that we created. We already live on technology, science, philosophy and art. In other words, these are not things revealed by an unknown entity. Neither art nor philosophy nor biology. These are not things that God created. These are man-made. Man created them. You attribute it to a creator, but I attribute it to science. +Look, we still haven't been able to explain how the cause could power that effect.
You are only telling the stage of the cause to the effect, and I say the reason is straightforward because the result that is caused by the reason is perfect, it dismisses this reason. This reason cannot do that. Then we say that there is clear proof that if this simple reason cannot create this perfect result then behind this reason is a being who knows, is conscious, intelligent, has power and life. That's what we call a creator... -That being is us. It is us. +You say it’s us, and I say, He is the One that can do what you can’t and create you. If you say it’s us, then you need to be able to create human beings whenever you want.
You should be able to make an egg yourself and hatch a peacock whenever you want. Can everyone have a baby? -Not everyone can have a baby. +Then, as you said, if we were in complete control, then anyone could have made that baby whenever they wanted. You say that we are the reason. It is we who do this. You can’t be the cause for this reason. Why? Because you were that reason in the first place. How can an effect be its own cause? -For example, you want to connect the reasons to something. You are looking for something behind the cause. And you call it God, the creator. +At first, you searched too, but... You looked for another reason behind the child.
-It's different when a 10-year-old boy pulls the train and the seed turns into a tree. +The latter is more perfect. Isn't it more perfect? Aren't you more perfect than this event? This is more surprising. The train pulling itself is just a matter of force. Here, a simple matter creates a living thing. Five hundred and seventy-six megapixel eyes are formed. A perfectly ordered system is formed. Symmetry is formed, the golden ratio is formed. A system which initiates sciences is formed, allowing masters to be made and doctors to open separate departments. This is, of course, more surprising. Where are you and where’s the train? Isn't it true? -No.
+Aren't you more perfect than this cause and effect relationship? I'm more surprised by you. -I'm definitely not perfect, but it's excellent for that 10-year-old to pull that train because science can explain it. What science cannot explain is also metaphysical. +I disagree with that because that was the science we were talking about. Science described the event in detail. You couldn’t answer the question I asked, so science actually can't explain it. It gives the appearance of explaining where it cannot. -I say it does, and I'm still researching. But I haven't read all of what science explains. And I'm sure when I read it, I will believe that science can explain it, and I still do.
+Brother, let me give you a little bit of information then. Science says there is DNA. Do you know how many bases DNA consists of? -No. +DNA consists of 4 bases. Adenine, thymine, guanine, cytosine. Even in these 4 bases, there are 4 elements. Carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen. So when I go into DNA, then with the bases, with their details, the same result awaits me. Unconscious, mindless, lifeless and powerless elements. Again nothing has changed. It was a simple matter again, but the event that came out of it, the result that came out of it, is again excellent. So even if you research the science a little more, the result will not change.
Reason and logic says that even if I do not see it, a being must exist. -So, it is also men who created God. +I don't agree with that either. Knowledge is dependent on the thing known. If there is a reality, one's thought does not change it. Say you close your eyes and say, ‘there was a cube-shaped microphone in front of me.’ Can you change the truth? -No. +No, you can’t. Your thoughts, ideas, feelings do not change the truth. Think as much as you want. This cause and effect relationship that I am describing is reality. As long as there’s reality, whether you think about or want the absence of a creator or his existence, thought does not change that reality.
-Humans are musical instruments created by the creator, and the creator can never use this instrument because he can’t make the right sound from it. Yes, there is a God, but it is in the heart or mind of men. It's either in your heart or in your mind. A person might believe in a light, or maybe in a tree. For example, what kind of entity do you imagine God as? +Let me describe Him. Let’s talk about his attributes. I can find his attributes with the mind. My vision is limited. If I can see, there is a being who can see infinitely. I can hear. I have limited hearing. If I can hear, then I say God can hear at an infinite level.
There is the mother's compassion and affection, the father's affection. Yes, the mother is compassionate. I can observe this and say yes, of course, it can not be atoms that give her this compassion. Do atoms have compassion? -No. +This means a compassionate being is behind the atoms with the names Rahman, Rahim, Rauf. Again, I conclude by saying that he is infinitely compassionate. Look, I can find a lot of attributes like this. I should also mention… Why did you wear a t-shirt and not a sweater? -Because it’s hot. +This is a logical action, right? A wise, sensible move. -Yeah. It was your mind and logic that made you do this. I say yes, even we can do wise things with our limited logic.
He has infinite wisdom. Of course, a creator with infinite knowledge and logic will be logical in everything he does and will act wisely. And since he created this universe, sending someone to introduce this place and answer questions like: “why did we come? Who sent me? Where am I going? What is my purpose? Why was I sent? Why do I have such abilities? What is the feature that distinguishes me from animals?” Sending a guide, sending the prophets, that explains why the prophets have come and answered such questions, I say it is a necessity of logic and wisdom. It is also a necessity of logic and wisdom that holy books distinguish right from wrong with the Prophets.
When I look at the Quran, I can see hundreds of examples proving that a person can not write. The information that is impossible for a person to know is in this book from 1400 years ago proves to be the guide and book I was looking for. Let me give an example. There are two incredible miracles in Surah Rum. الٓمٓ۠١غُلِبَتِ الرُّومُۙ٢ف۪ٓي اَدْنَى الْاَرْضِ وَهُمْ مِنْ بَعْدِ غَلَبِهِمْ سَيَغْلِبُونَۙ٣ف۪ي بِضْعِ سِن۪ينَ The Byzantines have been defeated in the nearest land. But they, after their defeat, will rise again within three to nine years. The Byzantines and Persians were at war.
The war takes place in the year 613, and the Byzantines suffer such a defeat that they have to sell even the sacred valuables in their churches. I can understand the level of defeat. While everyone assumes the Byzantines will disappear, a verse comes down. The verse says that the Byzantines were defeated, but they will be victorious. An incredible claim, isn't it? -Yeah. +Something like this to be said all of a sudden surprises most people. Those who do not believe suddenly begin to rejoice. Why? Because they think they will indeed be defeated, they start to rejoice, believing that Islam has made a rotten claim. Do you know what happens? Nine years later, in the year 622, they fought again.
The Byzantines and Persians faced off. And the Greeks really became victorious. There is another miracle in the same verse. It says the region where the war occurred was ‘fi adnal ard’, ‘ard’ means the Earth (Ground) and adna is also described as its lowest point. In other words, it says that the war took place at the lowest point of the Earth. What should you do if I ask who the shortest man on this street is? -I have to search and find. +You have to look at everyone one by one. -Right. +What then would it take to know the lowest point on Earth? -You have to search and find. +It is necessary to know the whole of the Earth, but was there such a situation at that time? Of course not.
But we will take a look. It says it happened at the lowest point of the earth. And It’s proven right now that the lowest point relative to sea level is where the battle took place. By saying that, the point we call the Dead Sea basin is 395 m below sea level. It begs the question: how can anyone tell us that this is the lowest point on Earth? Only the creator could tell us that. The events of the war are known to everyone in the historical records, not only Islamic sources. I will say that it cannot be the work of a person to know this information. There is a creator behind it. It is the word of God, and that's the only way I can explain these events.
So, this is the prophet I was looking for, the book I found with the mind, the existence of the creator I found with the mind. It’s clear. When the absence of the creator is not proven, then why should I not accept the logical conclusions that I have spoken about for His existence? When he has shown me these proofs why then shouldn't I accept Islam? Is there any reason? -I certainly can't talk about this. You have read the Quran the verses, together with the meaning. You've read it, and you know, but I haven't read it yet. I will search, and I hope I will find the right way. +Insha'Allah, Do you know what we should do?
Towards Eternity is in Istanbul Come whenever you want, we can even talk on the phone. We can do that. If necessary, brother, we can talk for days. We can talk for hours whenever you want. -I loved your conversation. Thank you. +Your conversation was very nice too. As you said, you will search so let's search and find it together. Let's continue from here. -Ok. +Very pleased to meet you. Take care of yourself.